Enable PIP, PAP, PAT on b620 and b6000

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Re: Enable PIP, PAP, PAT on b620 and b6000

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SamyGO Firmware Patcher already supports playing Movies on B550 with T-CHL5DEUC firmwares.
But don't know about PAP. What is that?
Also 100Hz think is not important thing. It just advertisement. Personally I don't think that result more clear pictures.
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Re: Enable PIP, PAP, PAT on b620 and b6000

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Some B550 models are bricked via changing model type to B650.
So there is some dangers of this method.
Instead SamyGO Firmware Patcher hacks exeDSP file for allow B550's playback without changing model type.

We don't work on PAP and PAT support. But I think hose are Software implanted features. It's possible to allow them at B550/B620 too. But I don't know to where needed to hack to support those options.
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Re: Enable PIP, PAP, PAT on b620 and b6000

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erdem_ua wrote: Also 100Hz think is not important thing. It just advertisement. Personally I don't think that result more clear pictures.
I think you are not aware what 100hz mode gave you.
You get more smooth frames playback by creating sub frames.
Difference is quite big.
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Nope. Human eye could capture 30-40 frame.
Anything beyond that give no sense.

50 Hz is already higher than your eye requires, 100Hz is your eye cannot capture at all, and there is 200hz too which is a overkill.
So there is smooth playback if you are being 200 hz camera. But your eye is comfortable even with 24 Hz Cinemas!
Other story is "ghosting". Someone says higher Hz reduce ghosting. There is a little effect at practice. But "Being Clear" not depended to Hz.
For example CRT's have more clear picture than LCD at 60 Hz. There 's no ghosting at all.
And I see no ghosting at cinema, at 24 fps/Hz...

100Hz means nothing but false advertisement. You can't make pictures clear with increasing Hz thing.
Scientist/Corporations tried to remove this Hz thing at LCD's. They thought that while they can independently adjust each pixel alone, there is not needed that "scan" tech.
But without black frames between pictures, eye/brain remember older picture at top of new one. That leads blurring. So they revert back to scanning tech again.
If you accelerate movie, that means less black frame between pictures, and your retina try to remember picture showed before, that lead "ghosting" self.

I don't see a video media that is in 100 fps playback too. Is blurays supports 100 fps? Since media is 60 fps, there is nothing to talk about TV has 100hz. If 60Hz is not enough, why all movies are sold in 60Hz?
Creating sub frames is nothing important. Might be in practice, cures devices poor performance on 60Hz.
But I prefer "proper 60 Hz" instead of advertised 100 or 200 hz...
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erdem_ua wrote:Nope. Human eye could capture 30-40 frame.
Actually human eye can capture around 60hz. It's practicaly visible in FPS games for example.
Example: switch black and white frames, and increase rate of frame switch, when you see solid grey that mean you reach eye perception. That was done practicaly.
50 Hz is already higher than your eye requires, 100Hz is your eye cannot capture at all, and there is 200hz too which is a overkill.
100hz or 200hz is indeed missleading wrong understanding same as LED TV description.
Whole thing is not about increasing TV refresh rate in display. I'm not sure if tv is capable full 100hz on panel display, it can on upto 75hz using as monitor. so maybe it can 100hz.
Whole thing is about smooth playback frames.
So there is smooth playback if you are being 200 hz camera. But your eye is comfortable even with 24 Hz Cinemas!
You mentioned cinema, it's visible flickering.
Anyway, if you record on "slower capture" camera, you will get smoother result due resulting motion blur effect.
If you record on faster camera and play on slower you get not smooth quality.
Similiar thing is with how many pixels camera have. If it got a lot more noise you get.
100Hz means nothing but false advertisement. You can't make pictures clear with increasing Hz thing.
Yes, it's wrong advertisement same us LED TV. And I think you pointing this to as display refresh, I didn't say anything about refresh rate before, but 100hz mode as video postprocessing.
Scientist/Corporations tried to remove this Hz thing at LCD's. They thought that while they can independently adjust each pixel alone, there is not needed that "scan" tech.
But without black frames between pictures, eye/brain remember older picture at top of new one. That leads blurring. So they revert back to scanning tech again.
If you accelerate movie, that means less black frame between pictures, and your retina try to remember picture showed before, that lead "ghosting" self.
Yes, it's eye/brain perception thing. Also that 100hz mode post processing trying "remove" that effect.
It also trying remove scuttering effect for example while scrolling texts.
I don't see a video media that is in 100 fps playback too. Is blurays supports 100 fps? Since media is 60 fps, there is nothing to talk about TV has 100hz. If 60Hz is not enough, why all movies are sold in 60Hz?
Because of size of video format ?
Eyes first capture details than movement, so frame rate is less important. Also doesn't mean bluerays and other players can't have video postprocessing.
All things depend how video is recorded. 100hz can make things worst too, For example creating too much blur motion effect.
That's why you can customise that mode. End user video can be re-encoded with loosing proper motion and grain quality. Broadcast tv is also reencoded.
Similiar thing is in audio processing and still analog devices are best in audio processing.
Creating sub frames is nothing important. Might be in practice, cures devices poor performance on 60Hz.
But I prefer "proper 60 Hz" instead of advertised 100 or 200 hz...
It's wrong statement by missunderstanding whole tv video postprocessing mode.
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aquadran wrote: Actually human eye can capture around 60hz. It's practicaly visible in FPS games for example.
Example: switch black and white frames, and increase rate of frame switch, when you see solid grey that mean you reach eye perception. That was done practicaly.
No, you can't compare videos with FPS games. Game frames don't render each frame at same time.Even if you see 50 fps at counter, It could mean half of frames are at 20 FPS and other half at 80 fps resulting 50 fps for second. I mean there is a jitter on 3D rendering because of multiple sources like ram,cpu or gpu's tempature.
But in movies, there is no jitter. So Games are not reliable to judge about FPS thing.
100hz or 200hz is indeed missleading wrong understanding same as LED TV description.
Whole thing is not about increasing TV refresh rate in display. I'm not sure if tv is capable full 100hz on panel display, it can on upto 75hz using as monitor. so maybe it can 100hz.
Whole thing is about smooth playback frames.
Yes there is some different modes of refresh changing brand to brand, but in ideal, refresh means turn off all pixel and turn on all again.
Yes, it's wrong advertisement same us LED TV. And I think you pointing this to as display refresh, I didn't say anything about refresh rate before, but 100hz mode as video postprocessing.
You can't count Hz thing as post processing. Hz means picture count at displayed in second. If you mix this with something exotic displaying tech, so it became "unscientific". Corporations try to identify this tech as increased Hz. But it don't increase anything.
Yes, it's eye/brain perception thing. Also that 100hz mode post processing trying "remove" that effect.
It also trying remove scuttering effect for example while scrolling texts.
Yes but that effect multiplied by low gray/gray response times too. As I mention, I count as a defect. Panel could be identified 8 ms but gray/gray responses are usually ~30 ms...
aquadran wrote:
Creating sub frames is nothing important. Might be in practice, cures devices poor performance on 60Hz.
But I prefer "proper 60 Hz" instead of advertised 100 or 200 hz...
It's wrong statement by missunderstanding whole tv video postprocessing mode.
Hz definition is open. If corporations re-define what the "hertz" is, I simply don't believe them. :)

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